Lil Peep's Friend and Producer Smokeasac Talks 'Come Over When You're Sober Pt. 2,' Coping With Depression & More


Gus Åhr ought to have turned 22 final week. 

Instead, subsequent week, associates and followers of the artist generally known as Lil Peep will mark one yr because the loss of life of probably the most uncooked and impactful younger abilities that 21st century music has produced. Not solely was he gone too quickly, however simply as a wider world had begun to understand his reward for marrying singalong hooks and melodies to principally angst-filled lyrics, to touching impact—a contemporary, face-tattooed personification of the bridge between hip-hop and punk, emo rock and factors past, without delay tortured, charming, dazed and conscious. Peep at his most shifting and melancholy comes flooding again this week, with, in the end, the discharge of Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2, the companion to his debut studio album, launched in August of 2017.

It’s a ravishing document, but in addition lyrically fraught and sometimes grim—darker than its predecessor, which on a minimum of one track, “The Brightside”, momentarily parted the clouds that hung over a lot of Peep’s work. The two data had been initially supposed to be one prolonged album, recorded in demo kind by Peep and his shut good friend and producer Dylan Mullen, aka Smokeasac, together with George Astasio of the manufacturing staff IIVI. Verses are awash in medication, despair and flashes of his personal demise, on “16 Lines” (“I'm wondering who you’ll fuck after I die”) and “Leanin” (“Woke up shocked / Am I actually alive / I used to be tryin' to die final evening”). Sex is engaged in as a approach to really feel alive: “Fuck me, like we're lyin' on our deathbed” on “Sex With My Ex” and “She don't love me, she simply love how I really feel” on “White Girl”. “IDGAF” is as nihilistic as its acronym suggests; haters and faux sycophants abound, respectively, on “Cry Alone” and “Runaway”; and on epic nearer “Fingers,” Peep even declares, “I’m not gonna final right here/ I’m not gonna final lengthy”. Even the sing-song monitor “Life Is Beautiful” is deceptively titled. A remodeling of a track that dates again to 2015, a classic video for it, that includes Peep in glasses, pre-trademark “Crybaby” tattoo, simply dropped on Wednesday. 

While temperamentally COWSY2 is just not new terrain for Peep—it’s that very ache that gained him a faithful tribe within the quick time he had. Hearing the songs now practically a yr since his passing, it’s a reminder of what may need been. And nobody carried the venture extra on his shoulders than Smokeasac, who once more with the help of Astasio, had the painful job of taking these demos and beefing them up musically, the identical method used on Part 1. The result's wonderful, however that doesn’t imply Smoke hasn’t needed to cope with second guessers. Early variations of some songs, together with “Runaway” and “Sex With My Ex” leaked months again, prompting some armchair quarterbacks to weigh in, in favor of the stripped down work. You know what they are saying about opinions, and there's no scarcity of them amongst Lil Peep disciples. Considering how personally he touched longtime followers, it’s comprehensible how strongly held a lot of their emotions are, and so they haven't been shy about voicing them this yr on various points. 

They berated Smokeasac about how lengthy COWSY2 took to come back out. Some took problem with Columbia Records—as main as a label will get—buying the rights to Peep’s unreleased music. There was the divisive “Falling Down”—the posthumous patchwork single that includes Peep and one other fallen star, XXXTentacion, launched in August—which some followers and erstwhile collaborators felt Peep wouldn’t have authorized of. Last month there was a web based skirmish when Quavo, on the monitor “Big Bro,” appeared to take a drug-referencing shot at Peep, prompting Peep cohorts to come back out firing till the Migos MC issued an evidence, if not an apology; and not too long ago a dust-up when longtime Peep collaborator Lil Tracy tearfully questioned Bexey, Fat Nick and others’ respect for his or her late good friend. It’s all been, frankly, unhappy to see. 

“This is the album that Gus would have needed,” stated Peep’s mother Liza Womack, at a COWSY2 listening occasion final month, responding to the Internet commentariat. “And sure, I do know what he would have needed.” It’s a elegant document, due largely to Mullen, who admits all of the Internet sniping at instances will get to him. His personal social media presence is open, accessible and empathetic, speaking overtly about his personal bouts with anxiousness and despair, and even not too long ago saying a plan to arrange an occasion to handle psychological well being. He and his good friend Gus had been fairly clearly kindred spirits. Just a few days earlier than Friday’s launch of COWYS2, Billboard obtained on the cellphone with Smokeasac, who was in Paris concluding a mini-tour of his personal, a couple of venture that he’s referred to as “an important album I'll work on.” 

Billboard: Dylan, I do know you’ve been in Europe the previous week doing solo reveals. How are they going? 

Smokeasac: They’re going tremendous nicely and I’ve been hanging out with the followers, it’s a lot enjoyable. I’m enjoying a set of my unreleased music, the place it’s me doing vocals. And then I play among the music off of Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2—identical to two or three songs. 

You’ve been working by yourself document with the producer Slight. How’s that, and the way far alongside are you? 

It’s going very well. We have most likely 12 songs, and it’s all coming collectively very nice. It all suits collectively properly, and it’s cool to have the ability to come over right here and play this unreleased music for followers, and so they’re having fun with it as in the event that they knew the lyrics, weirdly, I don’t know the best way to describe it, nevertheless it’s been a brilliant good response. 

So when can we count on to listen to one thing from this venture? 

I've a single dropping on Nov. 30, referred to as “Leave You Behind” and it’s a track with me, and my brother performed guitar on it. 

As for Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2, on the New York listening occasion you referred to as it “an important album I'll ever work on.” How difficult was it, contemplating not solely that Gus wasn’t there, however now you had Columbia Records concerned? 

Well, Columbia was actually fairly cool with me and sort of let me do my factor with it. I got here to them with the songs with the assistance of George [Astasio], and so they had been simply down. I believe they had been simply supportive of Peep. And that meant rather a lot they had been that supportive and keen to assist with having his legacy develop. So they actually simply allow us to do our factor, and it was actually concerning the music and what Peep would have needed. Because I wouldn’t have had it another manner, you recognize. I wouldn’t have been capable of have lived with an album that didn’t really feel proper by Gus, you recognize?

You tweeted earlier within the yr that “When the time is correct, the music will come out.” Did you are feeling a time stress to get this out by a sure time? 

There was stress in a manner, as a result of I understand how a lot it means to the followers, and that was in my thought course of your entire time that I used to be making the music, as a result of I do know the followers actually needed it. But for me, I used to be simply going by a lot, not having Peep round and having followers principally beg me for this album, and at one level it was simply so dangerous that I used to be getting harassed about, “Part 2, when is it coming?” And, I don’t know, it simply made me need to work on it much more. But I wouldn’t say it made me rush. I didn’t really feel rushed in any respect, however I did really feel prefer it ought to come out ahead of later. As quickly as we may end it, you recognize, with out dashing. 

Didn’t an early model of “Runaway” and others leak some time again? 


And I do know some followers commented like, “Well why do they should polish it up? It sounded positive the way in which it was.” How do you are feeling about that, when—as a result of the Internet makes it straightforward to do—some folks need to weigh in with their two cents about each transfer you make in the case of Peep? 

Yeah undoubtedly. It’s one thing that’s laborious to cope with, as a result of on high of the truth that he’s not right here, I've to learn feedback like that. And I attempt to do proper by Gus, and that’s actually all that issues to me. And I can’t clarify that to each fan, one after the other, however they only take it as—it looks like quite a lot of followers have these tales of Gus, or a view of him that's laborious to clarify. Some of them are actually harsh on me. 

Do you suppose it’s a picture a few of them have constructed up, like a mythology of him that they’ve constructed up in their very own minds? 

I do really feel like that in a manner, yeah. It’s tremendous mysterious and bizarre. Just him as an individual, he was so particular and odd, his entire life was so attention-grabbing, and other people view it as—I suppose coming from an out of doors viewpoint, I can solely think about what followers suppose. They see issues on the Internet and so they suppose it’s routinely true, and there’s a lot false info. I wouldn’t say lies, however there are quite a lot of rumors and lies which have gone round about conditions with him. 

His mother Liza made some extent of claiming on the listening, “I do know what he needed” seemingly in response to second-guessers. 

Yeah as a result of lots of people who didn’t know him, or by no means met him or possibly even simply discovered about him after he handed attempt to say what he would have needed. And his mom would know what he needed, for positive. He was actually shut together with his mother, and as his producer and his good friend, I used to be grateful that he trusted me a lot to...we labored very well, and I’m grateful that I obtained the possibility to have the ability to do that. As robust because it was, to complete it, I really feel prefer it’s one thing that I needed to do, for Gus. 

“Cry Alone” sort of takes on the haters he grew up round on Long Island, whereas “Runaway” sort of takes on the fakeness of some folks—and it’s primarily about L.A., proper? 

Yeah undoubtedly. Especially, being in L.A., it’s laborious to keep away from it. 

Was Gus sort of nomadic? If he had lived do you suppose he would have ended up shifting repeatedly—Berlin, San Francisco, wherever? 

100 per cent. He was residing in London on the time he handed. He was touring the U.S., however his house was in London, you recognize. So after the tour we had been supposed to return there and make one other album, really. I believe he would have favored residing throughout Europe, however for essentially the most half I believe he would have planted himself in London for some time. He actually favored it there rather a lot. There was one thing about it that...he needed to reside outdoors of London, in just like the countryside. That was one factor he saved speaking about. He would all the time joke about desirous to give up music and grow to be a sheep farmer and reside within the nation! 

I used to be a bit of greatly surprised after I first heard the document with how darkish it's, pondering possibly of “The Brightside” from the primary document, that it could head in that course. 

Yeah in my view Part 2 was all the time sort of the darker half of Come Over When You’re Sober, and that’s simply sort of what it was. We sort of break up it up like that. Part 2 was darker, and we had been gonna launch it at one other time.

What do you keep in mind concerning the vocal monitoring for COWYS2

Yeah nicely truthfully I sat behind him for each single track. That was one of many issues he made me do. He would make me sit there behind him. I might simply sit there in silence and he would document the track. Like he would lay it like twelve instances, and he simply felt snug, I suppose, with me within the room. He instructed me he wouldn’t document except I used to be sitting there. The demos had been simply recorded in his bed room. And then among the demos had been leaked, like we talked about earlier. 

I noticed you say within the New York Times that after he handed you felt such as you spoke to him whenever you had been engaged on the document. 

Yeah after I was engaged on the document I keep in mind being within the studio, I might lock myself in, like I had booked a while at a studio to essentially like sit down in actually a peaceable spot, the place I may shut the door and I couldn’t assist however really feel the strongest power behind me. And listening to his a capellas for the primary time after him passing was—I may undoubtedly really feel his presence. 

And then I learn not too long ago that the later stuff you guys labored on with Makonnen, which can come out in some unspecified time in the future, is rather more upbeat.  And their track “Sunlight On Your Skin,” which got here out in September, undoubtedly has a hotter vibe. 

Yeah. It was a special time, and he was in a special head area. Being in London, he was so glad on the market. I noticed a change in him, it appeared like he was being wholesome, and he simply appeared so glad. Those had been among the finest instances of my life truthfully. I obtained to be on the market with them, it appeared like he was consuming good meals, he appeared wholesome. To see Peep that glad, it made me glad, as a result of he did a lot for me. And I do know that he had been going by quite a lot of stress in L.A., and that had been actually robust to see. 

Were you shocked on the depth of the response over “Falling Down” [with XXXTentacion]? 

Yeah I used to be actually shocked really. Because I suppose the way in which I checked out it was—having misplaced Peep, the entire state of affairs was simply unhappy. It was a type of issues that I actually didn’t have any half in, however then seeing the response, I obtained ripped open on Instagram and Twitter. And that harm as a result of I used to be like, “Damn, I didn’t have something to do with it.” And folks had been developing with these concepts that I produced the monitor and that I had put two verses from two completely different songs, and simply, the backlash that I used to be getting was loopy. And the negativity that comes round me and Peep generally, with the followers, and them being indignant, it simply is difficult to cope with. I don’t have Peep right here to name up and speak to about it, you recognize? 

There was additionally the quick lived beef, or misunderstanding, with Quavo, after which Tracy had some issues to say not too long ago. But you appear principally with all of this to someway all the time take the excessive street. 

Yeah you recognize it undoubtedly takes a toll, I gained’t lie about that. It harm to see Tracy saying these issues, and I've quite a lot of love for him. I've quite a lot of love for everybody. And not all my associates get alongside. You know, I speak to Nick and Bexey and I’ve talked to Tracy, and I want everybody might be associates. But I identical to to see the extra constructive aspect of issues, particularly in the case of Peep. I simply don’t just like the negativity, I simply can’t go down that destructive path. It doesn’t really feel proper to me. 

You’re additionally very constructive in your socials and open about your individual battles with anxiousness. You even tweeted about organizing an charity occasion to handle psychological well being. Does it allow you to to share your individual experiences with folks? 

It does, it helps me. Because I do cope with despair and anxiousness, and what makes me glad is with the ability to assist different folks. I really feel like a giant a part of my function in making music helps people who find themselves depressed and anxious to really feel higher and never really feel as alone. That’s probably the most vital issues for me, and it sort of simply will get tied into the music, in a bizarre manner. 

So is that even you referred to, is it one thing that’s within the planning phases? Or extra an thought of one thing you need to do? 

It’s one thing that I need to do, that I actually need to arrange with a bunch of my artist associates. And I’m positive that I can get quite a lot of my associates that will be down. It’s one thing that I'm gonna prioritize as quickly as I get again to the States. I need to set it up with as many who I can, one thing with artists that will be down to truly spend time with followers, simply to arrange a sick occasion that will make folks really feel higher, and all of us get to carry out, and donate the cash to charity. That can be so cool for me. 

I not too long ago frolicked with Ski Mask, who misplaced his good friend XXX this yr. I do know he’s stated generally that’s it’s been laborious to persevering with on with X now not there, however on the similar time it looks like dropping his good friend has spurred creativity in him, virtually an incentive to create, as a result of none of us know the way a lot time now we have. Do you recognize what I imply? 

It’s loopy to listen to you say that as a result of I’d say it virtually the identical manner, I’d say it’s virtually precisely how I really feel about me and Gus. He was my finest good friend and I do really feel like, “How am I shifting ahead with out him?” however on the similar time, I do really feel in a manner it’s motivated me to maintain making extra music, as a result of that was our purpose. When I used to be actually going by it, anyone despatched me this text from Dave Grohl about dropping Kurt. And he stated one thing like, the primary factor that Nirvana was about was holding the ball rolling. And that was one thing that actually clicked with me. It was like, sure, it’s all about holding the ball rolling with music. That’s simply what I do. 

I’m sitting right here wanting on the COWYS2 album cowl, that shot of Peep searching the window, by the sliver of sunshine. It’s fairly good. 

Yeah, it undoubtedly suits the music. And in a manner, I take a look at the quilt to Part 1, and it sort of suits, it’s a bit brighter, after which in Part 2 Peep’s sort of within the shadows, which sort of suits the darker vibe of the music. So I believe all of it sort of got here collectively in a manner that Peep would have been happy with. And truthfully, I really feel like Peep was guiding every part, all the way in which right down to the art work and the music. I really feel like he’s nonetheless operating shit, from above. 

Lil Peep’s Come Over When You’re Sober Pt. 2 dropped Friday and could be streamed in full beneath.