John Lydon Talks Public Image Ltd Beefs & 'People Deliberately Misinterpreting Me'


He should be enjoying what could be considered a victory lap, but John Lydon isn't having it.

The man once known as Sex Pistols singer Johnny Rotten is celebrating the 40th anniversary his post-Pistols outfit Public Ltd with a recently released five-CD, two-DVD boxed set The Public Is Rotten (Songs from the Heart), as well as a documentary by the same name, minus the subtitle (Lydon introduced the film at Metrograph in NYC on Sept. 13 and returns Sept. 14 to do the same). Additionally, PiL is kicking f a North American tour Oct. 8 in New Orleans — but Lydon can't quite enjoy the moment.

"It's almost overwhelming because all the issues," Lydon says in a phone interview at a tour stop in London. "They're wonderful issues to have, but it's all slamming into to me all at once. I thought it would be like some kind joyous party. It always works out that way, doesn't it? You go to the most anticipated party the year and there's people who you owe money there."

Still, even if he's a bit overwhelmed, Lydon is enjoying the challenge. "That to me is very great interest because it becomes a personal battle to see just how far I can push myself," he adds. "I think that's the methodology I've applied all my life — just force yourself into that harder and harder situation just to find out how deep your character really is…Work is it's actual own reward. There is a truism in that. I suppose my daddy put into me. You know, 'Get out bed you lazy git!'"

If nothing else, Lydon has always shown ambition. After the Sex Pistols flamed out following a final show at San Francisco's Winterland Ballroom on Jan. 14, 1978, Lydon was legally forbidden from using his Rotten stage name, but he didn't let that stop him. Instead, he formed a new outfit, Public Ltd, with former Clash guitarist Keith Levene, aspiring bassist Jah Wobble and drummer Jim Walker. They debuted with the eponymous single and debut album, First Issue, before the year's end.

With the band's influential first single "Public " brilliantly laying out the band's mission statement and a revolutionary sound that set the stage for the post-punk movement, you might think a lot planning went into the band's launch, but Lydon says that wasn't the case.

"In truth it was pure guess work," he says. "When I formed PiL, I got what I thought were very best, closest friends. We were all guessing what we were going to do and we loaded ourselves into a rehearsal studio, stared at each other for about 20 minutes, drank a bit, imbibed in what was available and slowly but surely had a bit confidence in each other and started to make noises in the individual corners and that is what came out that. The perfect storm, really.

"That set that direction. Nobody wanted, particularly me, to sound like my first outfit," he adds. "That's an enormous hill to be climbing, let me tell you, because it's still bouncing in your head that thought the good old days and then your next thought would be, 'Well, there weren't any, so let's move on.' And try to encompass the past in one short, sharp sweet delivery and I think we did that. The lyrics just flowed so naturally, the lovely guitar line, the wonderful drumming and over course Wobble learning the bass was all very, very helpful."

With the course set, PiL went on to release its landmark second album, Metal Box, in 1979, re-released in early 1980 as Second Edition without the film canister that served as its namesake. The sound mixed Wobble's dub-influenced bass lines with Levene's shards guitar and Lydon's unholy howl. A tour followed, with a legendary stop in downtown Los Angeles at the Olympic Auditorium, a dilapidated wrestling venue, that this reporter witnessed firsthand. "It was a very strange event," Lydon recalls. "Somehow or another it came f. It worked. It was a like a little torch we had there in all the seeming darkness. The excitement all it was very hard to keep control , we just about managed to stop it from going into something nasty."

Lydon wasn't as lucky with PiL's lineup, which fell apart in the wake infighting and accusations Levene and Wobble stealing tapes, as seen in the documentary. "They were poor sods," Lydon says. "I wanted to help them. I put a lot my own personal money into that. I think I helped them launch solo careers and all they've done is turn around and criticize and moan like selfish, whiny spoiled brats and that's an awful thing to see friends behave that way. They've not put a penny in my direction, never really helped me out at all. Not even the words thank you. And years later, I write songs like 'Disappointed,' 'that's what friends are for.' Wow, I hope they're listening."

While the lineup has evolved several times over the years, Lydon kept pushing on. At one point, for 1986's Album, he ended up with an all-star band, which included guitarist Steve Vai, former Cream drummer Ginger Baker and others. Album included anthemic "Rise," which became one PiL's best-known singles.

"It was very difficult to do Album because the band were too young for New York and the studio and definitively too young for producer] Bill Laswell. There's a slave driver in the studio and we had a deadline to meet and we were running out money, so I had to find quick replacements and those were the kind people that turned up – Ginger Baker, Steve Vai," Lydon recalls. "You're hardly going to say 'no thank you' are you? I've got to say, at the time I was kind low and had self-doubt because the negative press had worn me down over the years. You're lacking a little confidence in yourself, so that cheered me up that fellas like that could walk in and say, 'Of course we're here for you.' My God, thank you. And they're thanking me, quite an amazing turnaround events and that helped me to no end and it really gave me the confidence to continue."

Still, Lydon continued to have his ups and downs, as chronicled in the aforementioned track "Disappointed" from his 1989 album, 9. The song includes the word "collusion," now heard regularly on the nightly news in connection to the investigation into the Trump presidential campaign and its alleged ties to Russia. When asked about the lyrics, Lydon good-naturedly admits he can't remember, but a few minutes later, he confirms that word is in the song's lyrics. When asked about statements he made which news outlets interpreted as pro Trump, he claims that's nothing but "fake news."

"It's so weird the things I'm reading and how people deliberately misinterpret me," he says. "I'm the kind fella that you just don't take one sentence from. You have to print the whole paragraph," he says. "How on Earth can I like him? And at the same time, how on Earth can I hate him? It's just another ridiculous situation we have to put up with in the world or politics. For me, it's like a situation comedy that's either incredibly well written or poorly acted. I'm indecisive about the conclusion it as a TV series, but I know CNN is not in charge. It's both amusing and horrifying at the same time."

That said, Lydon is excited about bringing PiL – with its longest-running lineup guitarist Lu Edmonds, bassist Scott Firth and drummer Bruce Smith – to the U.S. "I'm looking forward to touring America, the land I love," says the long-time resident Venice, Calif. "I'm an American and I'm very proud that. I'm coming home, babies!"

The Public Is Rotten North American Tour Dates

TUE    10/9    New Orleans, LA       The Civic Theatre

WED   10/10  Atlanta, GA                Variety Playhouse                 

FRI     10/12  Washington, DC        Black Cat

SAT    10/13  Asbury Park, NJ         Asbury Lanes

MON   10/15  Brooklyn, NY              Brooklyn Steel

TUE    10/16  Philadelphia, PA        Union Transfer                      

THU    10/18  Montreal, QC             Club Soda

FRI     10/19  Toronto, ON               Lee's Palace 

SUN   10/21  Detroit, MI                  The Majestic

MON   10/22  Chicago, IL                 Thalia Hall                 

WED   10/24  Dallas, TX                  Granada Theatre

THU    10/25  Austin, TX                  The Mohawk 

SUN   10/28  Portland, OR              Wonder Ballroom

MON   10/29  Seattle, WA                Showbox       

WED  10/31  San Francisco, CA     The Chapel

THU    11/1    San Francisco, CA     The Chapel

SAT    11/3    Los Angeles, CA        El Rey          

TUE    11/6    Mexico City, MX         Pepsi Centre