“Shallow” co-writer Anthony Rossomando & ASCAP president Paul Williams are this week’s special guests.
Welcome to the Billboard Chart Beat Podcast, where each week co-hosts Gary Trust and Trevor Anderson, from the Billboard charts department, discuss why what's on the charts … is on the charts, while also looking at current chart action in a historical context for even greater insights.
This week, we recap BTS' latest chart milestones, as "Boy With Luv," featuring Halsey, launches at No. 8 on the Billboard Hot 100, marking the superstar act's second top 10 and the highest-charting for a K-pop group. Plus, Sam Smith and Normani's "Dancing With a Stranger" also enters the Hot 100's top 10.
Joining as our very special guests are ASCAP president and chairman Paul Williams and Anthony Rossomando, co-writer of, among other songs, Lady Gaga and Bradley Cooper's Oscar and Grammy-winning, and former Hot 100 No. 1, "Shallow," from A Star Is Born. Williams is, famously, an Oscar and Grammy winner himself, having co-written, among other classics, Barbra Streisand's earlier A Star Is Born ballad "Evergreen" and (speaking of things green) Kermit the Frog's "Rainbow Connection."
The pair joins the podcast ahead of ASCAP's 14th annual "I Create Music" Expo, to be held May 2-4 in Hollywood, encompassing three days of panels, performances and more. "You're surrounded by people that share a dream," Williams says, "that they can create music that's going to make a difference in the world."
As for "Shallow," Rossomando recounts how the song was written, quickly, with Gaga, Mark Ronson and Andrew Wyatt. "She [later] said to me, 'Did we write this in two days?' I was like, 'Yeah, it was two sessions.' But, the truth of it is, it's like 10 years of living that gets distilled into four stanzas. It was really, really natural. I have a long history with Andrew and Mark and her, so it was very open."
Rossomando also marvels at the success of A Star Is Born and how it might be inspiring young songwriters, in part due to "Shallow." "It's almost like, through this song we've jabbed the industry a little bit in the gut. Like, remember songwriting? Not just, I've got one hook and I'm gonna repeat it and pitch it in Auto-Tune and let the beat take over. You actually have to write the full idea, the way you write a play: it has a beginning, middle and end."
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